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	<title>Comments on: Tagging demo with Freebase Suggest</title>
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		<title>By: Skurt &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Common Tags sind Freebase Suggested Metatagging, endlich!</title>
		<link>http://blog.hamstersoup.com/2007/11/08/tagging-demo-with-freebase-suggest/#comment-2610</link>
		<dc:creator>Skurt &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Common Tags sind Freebase Suggested Metatagging, endlich!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] November 2007, vor 1,5 Jahren(!), tüftelte ich mit Will Moffat auf der Freebase Mailingliste und in seinem Blog an der Idee die klassischen Tags zu erweitern. Heute lese ich das Announcment von Freebase, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] November 2007, vor 1,5 Jahren(!), tüftelte ich mit Will Moffat auf der Freebase Mailingliste und in seinem Blog an der Idee die klassischen Tags zu erweitern. Heute lese ich das Announcment von Freebase, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian Kurt</title>
		<link>http://blog.hamstersoup.com/2007/11/08/tagging-demo-with-freebase-suggest/#comment-2609</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>waiting is now over, Freebase announces Common Tag! That is what brings the idea to life.
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/common_tag_brings_standards_to_metadata.php
http://blog.freebase.com/2009/06/10/common-tag-using-freebase-topics-as-tags/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>waiting is now over, Freebase announces Common Tag! That is what brings the idea to life.<br />
<a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/common_tag_brings_standards_to_metadata.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/common_tag_brings_standards_to_metadata.php</a><br />
<a href="http://blog.freebase.com/2009/06/10/common-tag-using-freebase-topics-as-tags/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.freebase.com/2009/06/10/common-tag-using-freebase-topics-as-tags/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ben Good</title>
		<link>http://blog.hamstersoup.com/2007/11/08/tagging-demo-with-freebase-suggest/#comment-2506</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like the namespace prefixes are getting stripped from my posts - perhaps I should be escaping the angle brackets?

Here is a query for just those tags that aren&#039;t currently associated with topics.  

prefix tag: \  
prefix rdfs: \
select ?label
 where { 
?tagging tag:associatedTag ?tag .
?tag rdfs:label ?label .
optional { ?tag rdfs:isDefinedBy ?topic } . 
filter (!bound(?topic))
}

each tag appears as many times as its been used so far.  Like I said, aggregate functions are on the way.  (This takes several minutes to run on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://arch.uwindsor.ca:8080/Joseki/query-ed-basic.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Joseki server&lt;/a&gt;, but is quite snappy on &lt;a href=&quot;http://biomoby.elmonline.ca/sparql&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;our current toy Virtuoso setup&lt;/a&gt;) with a bit less data (use &#039;sandbox&#039; for Default Graph URI ).  Notice that you can get json objects out if you ask for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like the namespace prefixes are getting stripped from my posts &#8211; perhaps I should be escaping the angle brackets?</p>
<p>Here is a query for just those tags that aren&#8217;t currently associated with topics.  </p>
<p>prefix tag: \<br />
prefix rdfs: \<br />
select ?label<br />
 where {<br />
?tagging tag:associatedTag ?tag .<br />
?tag rdfs:label ?label .<br />
optional { ?tag rdfs:isDefinedBy ?topic } .<br />
filter (!bound(?topic))<br />
}</p>
<p>each tag appears as many times as its been used so far.  Like I said, aggregate functions are on the way.  (This takes several minutes to run on the <a href="http://arch.uwindsor.ca:8080/Joseki/query-ed-basic.html" rel="nofollow">Joseki server</a>, but is quite snappy on <a href="http://biomoby.elmonline.ca/sparql" rel="nofollow">our current toy Virtuoso setup</a>) with a bit less data (use &#8216;sandbox&#8217; for Default Graph URI ).  Notice that you can get json objects out if you ask for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Good</title>
		<link>http://blog.hamstersoup.com/2007/11/08/tagging-demo-with-freebase-suggest/#comment-2505</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Will,

 Currently the (non-standard) aggregate operations, like count, that are theoretically supported by our RDF server aren&#039;t working, but the following will get all the data needed to count them up in a client.  We create a distinct URI for each user/tag combination and then associate that with a label.  This is done to account for different users using the same string in different ways (one of the reasons we are interested in freebase!)

prefix tag:   
prefix rdfs: 
select ?label ?topic
 where { 
?tagging tag:associatedTag ?tag .
optional { ?tag rdfs:isDefinedBy ?topic } . 
?tag rdfs:label ?label
}

Its quite slow today, but by the end of the week will be several orders of magnitude faster thanks to a new server and a new RDF repository (Virtuoso).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Will,</p>
<p> Currently the (non-standard) aggregate operations, like count, that are theoretically supported by our RDF server aren&#8217;t working, but the following will get all the data needed to count them up in a client.  We create a distinct URI for each user/tag combination and then associate that with a label.  This is done to account for different users using the same string in different ways (one of the reasons we are interested in freebase!)</p>
<p>prefix tag:<br />
prefix rdfs:<br />
select ?label ?topic<br />
 where {<br />
?tagging tag:associatedTag ?tag .<br />
optional { ?tag rdfs:isDefinedBy ?topic } .<br />
?tag rdfs:label ?label<br />
}</p>
<p>Its quite slow today, but by the end of the week will be several orders of magnitude faster thanks to a new server and a new RDF repository (Virtuoso).</p>
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		<title>By: Will Moffat</title>
		<link>http://blog.hamstersoup.com/2007/11/08/tagging-demo-with-freebase-suggest/#comment-2504</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Moffat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 08:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ben, I think it would be interesting to see the non-freebase tags sorted by usage. If your tool gains traction then this would be a good indication of missing topics in Freebase.

I&#039;m no SPARQL expert but I tried playing around with this query

prefix tag: &lt;http://bioinfo.icapture.ubc.ca/Resources/SemanticTagging/&gt;  
prefix rdfs: &lt;http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#&gt;
select ?tagging ?tag ?topic ?user
where { 
  ?tagging tag:associatedTag ?tag .
  optional { ?tag rdfs:isDefinedBy ?topic } .
  ?tagging tag:taggedBy ?user .
  filter (isBlank(?topic))
}

I hit two problems: isBlank() doesn&#039;t work as I expected and ?tag is in the form username_tag so I can&#039;t sort and then count tags from different users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ben, I think it would be interesting to see the non-freebase tags sorted by usage. If your tool gains traction then this would be a good indication of missing topics in Freebase.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m no SPARQL expert but I tried playing around with this query</p>
<p>prefix tag: &lt;http://bioinfo.icapture.ubc.ca/Resources/SemanticTagging/&gt;<br />
prefix rdfs: &lt;http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#&gt;<br />
select ?tagging ?tag ?topic ?user<br />
where {<br />
  ?tagging tag:associatedTag ?tag .<br />
  optional { ?tag rdfs:isDefinedBy ?topic } .<br />
  ?tagging tag:taggedBy ?user .<br />
  filter (isBlank(?topic))<br />
}</p>
<p>I hit two problems: isBlank() doesn&#8217;t work as I expected and ?tag is in the form username_tag so I can&#8217;t sort and then count tags from different users.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Good</title>
		<link>http://blog.hamstersoup.com/2007/11/08/tagging-demo-with-freebase-suggest/#comment-2503</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Will,  Darn..  hadn&#039;t noticed your response till just now.  The bookmarklet on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.entitydescriber.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; front page&lt;/a&gt; is alive and we&#039;ll have the others you found fixed by tomorrow.  I guess I should do a general update on the doc there..

 How would you like the commonly used non-freebase topic tag stream represented?  It would be pretty easy to pull them out.  In fact, this could be done using the &lt;a href=&quot;http://arch.uwindsor.ca:8080/Joseki/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SPARQL endpoint&lt;/a&gt; with very little work (feel free to play).  I&#039;ll give you a start, I use &quot;ontology evaluation&quot; quite a bit, but haven&#039;t bothered to create the topic yet.  We&#039;re going to be moving the endpoint to a different server this week so it should get much faster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Will,  Darn..  hadn&#8217;t noticed your response till just now.  The bookmarklet on the <a href="http://www.entitydescriber.org" rel="nofollow"> front page</a> is alive and we&#8217;ll have the others you found fixed by tomorrow.  I guess I should do a general update on the doc there..</p>
<p> How would you like the commonly used non-freebase topic tag stream represented?  It would be pretty easy to pull them out.  In fact, this could be done using the <a href="http://arch.uwindsor.ca:8080/Joseki/" rel="nofollow">SPARQL endpoint</a> with very little work (feel free to play).  I&#8217;ll give you a start, I use &#8220;ontology evaluation&#8221; quite a bit, but haven&#8217;t bothered to create the topic yet.  We&#8217;re going to be moving the endpoint to a different server this week so it should get much faster.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Moffat</title>
		<link>http://blog.hamstersoup.com/2007/11/08/tagging-demo-with-freebase-suggest/#comment-2467</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Moffat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 14:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ben, I just got back from vacation and had a quick look at Entity Describer. Great work, that&#039;s exactly what I was thinking about (although it&#039;s a pity that Connotea doesn&#039;t let you store the tag urls directly).

Small problem: the bookmarklets on this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.entitydescriber.org/Help/Bookmarklet.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;page&lt;/a&gt; are broken.

The widget idea for adding new tags is a good idea but would require careful implementation to avoid flooding Freebase with topics which are too lightweight.

It would be really interesting to get a feed of commonly used tags which aren&#039;t in Freebase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ben, I just got back from vacation and had a quick look at Entity Describer. Great work, that&#8217;s exactly what I was thinking about (although it&#8217;s a pity that Connotea doesn&#8217;t let you store the tag urls directly).</p>
<p>Small problem: the bookmarklets on this <a href="http://www.entitydescriber.org/Help/Bookmarklet.html" rel="nofollow">page</a> are broken.</p>
<p>The widget idea for adding new tags is a good idea but would require careful implementation to avoid flooding Freebase with topics which are too lightweight.</p>
<p>It would be really interesting to get a feed of commonly used tags which aren&#8217;t in Freebase.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Good</title>
		<link>http://blog.hamstersoup.com/2007/11/08/tagging-demo-with-freebase-suggest/#comment-2466</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 17:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep..  I&#039;d love to, for example, add a little widget to the bookmarklet that helped people build the tags they need  into freebase right on the spot.  If you make it we&#039;ll stick it in :)

The tags are stored in Connotea as normal strings, but they are also stored in our own RDF database (soon to be publicly reachable as a SPARQL endpoint - maybe today). ( We aren&#039;t Connotea by the way, we are a grad student and a programmer at the university of british columbia).  In the RDF database we store the links between the URIs for the tags in Connotea, the Freebase URIs and the Freebase Types.  Hopefully we&#039;ll be using this data to produce a more semantic experience when browsing tagged collections.

I&#039;d also like to use freebase (or some version thereof) as the tagging database...  how about it?  Want to compete with ZigTag?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep..  I&#8217;d love to, for example, add a little widget to the bookmarklet that helped people build the tags they need  into freebase right on the spot.  If you make it we&#8217;ll stick it in <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The tags are stored in Connotea as normal strings, but they are also stored in our own RDF database (soon to be publicly reachable as a SPARQL endpoint &#8211; maybe today). ( We aren&#8217;t Connotea by the way, we are a grad student and a programmer at the university of british columbia).  In the RDF database we store the links between the URIs for the tags in Connotea, the Freebase URIs and the Freebase Types.  Hopefully we&#8217;ll be using this data to produce a more semantic experience when browsing tagged collections.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to use freebase (or some version thereof) as the tagging database&#8230;  how about it?  Want to compete with ZigTag?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Douglas</title>
		<link>http://blog.hamstersoup.com/2007/11/08/tagging-demo-with-freebase-suggest/#comment-2465</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 16:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice!  Now we (Freebase, that is) just need to make it easier to add unreconciled tags to Freebase so the hitrate continually gets better.

Are you still storing the tags as freetext or are you associating them with a Freebase id?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice!  Now we (Freebase, that is) just need to make it easier to add unreconciled tags to Freebase so the hitrate continually gets better.</p>
<p>Are you still storing the tags as freetext or are you associating them with a Freebase id?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Good</title>
		<link>http://blog.hamstersoup.com/2007/11/08/tagging-demo-with-freebase-suggest/#comment-2464</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Will,

 We went ahead and conducted your exercise for the Connotea social bookmarking service.  Let us know what you think!
http://www.entitydescriber.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Will,</p>
<p> We went ahead and conducted your exercise for the Connotea social bookmarking service.  Let us know what you think!<br />
<a href="http://www.entitydescriber.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.entitydescriber.org</a></p>
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